tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post8801593815846709556..comments2024-03-18T09:09:59.625-04:00Comments on Janet Reid, Literary Agent: permissionsJanet Reidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00615380335938685231noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-72279228426595846022016-06-09T00:59:44.993-04:002016-06-09T00:59:44.993-04:00Day 7 of feeling like death warmed up. My brain is...Day 7 of feeling like death warmed up. My brain is fog and my nose rivals Rudolph's. So apologies if anything I say sounds like I've spent the last month on Carkoon.<br /><br />Miss Janet, how do differences in laws around the world affect fair use? What is deemed fair use in America might not be the same in Australia so do you go by the country the originator of the works live in, or the country in which the works will be published?<br /><br />Would this than affect those in US re First Amendment in the same way?AJ Blythehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04529233142099749005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-33175263075590796512016-06-08T01:50:24.845-04:002016-06-08T01:50:24.845-04:00BJ,
Niiiiiice. Beat me to the punch.
Julie,
My c...BJ,<br /><i>Niiiiiice</i>. Beat me to the punch. <br /><br />Julie,<br />My characters got tired of me and threw me out, so I decided to play with Kitty's imaginary friends for a spell. Which might be a Twilight Zone episode for all I know.John Davis Frainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18020019400599228492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-17172436747205045572016-06-08T00:04:29.494-04:002016-06-08T00:04:29.494-04:00Julie: Backing away slowly won't save you from...Julie: Backing away slowly won't save you from Mrs. Platt, if you get too close to Arthur...BJ Muntainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12977414826388000094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-82818449552693505752016-06-07T19:28:14.394-04:002016-06-07T19:28:14.394-04:00John,
You know, some days I keep up perfectly wel...John,<br /><br />You know, some days I keep up perfectly well. Other days I feel like I've been dropped into the middle of a Twilight Zone episode. I'm just going to back away slowly.Julie Weathershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13725236516593676381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-54299376589344371152016-06-07T16:07:41.260-04:002016-06-07T16:07:41.260-04:00Kitty,
I thought this was odd, but now it's st...Kitty,<br />I thought this was odd, but now it's starting to make sense. I was at a downtown diner the other day and commented on how nice Arthur Platt is looking these days. <br /><br />Then, yesterday, a big ol' Buick pulled up on the sidewalk in front of me and a kindly woman leaned out the window. My path cut off, I had to give her my full attention. <br /><br />"Sorry," she said. "When I drive near your house, sometimes I mistake the gas pedal for the brake." Without another word, or a response from me, she was off.<br /><br />I watched her drive perfectly down the road, flip on her indicator and navigate a smooth left turn.<br /><br />I might go say Hi to Catherine Higgins who seems lonely these days, but you won't find me near Arthur Platt. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)<br /><br />John Davis Frainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18020019400599228492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-51800626549678075022016-06-07T15:33:59.156-04:002016-06-07T15:33:59.156-04:00Sorry if this shows up twice. I think I made a mis...Sorry if this shows up twice. I think I made a mistake in my first attempt to comment. <br /><br />I didn't have time to read through all the comments today, so forgive me if someone has already mentioned this. But this "Fair Use" idea isn't universal. If you are quoting or using works copyrighted outside of the USA, it's best to check with the laws of that country. Legal tentacles can reach across the sea.<br /><br />I say this as someone who included in my manuscript song excerpts and quotes from works by Italian authors and composers, and discovered that Italian copyright law views Fair Use rather differently, and also includes esoteric notions like "moral rights". <br /><br />Before you ask, yes, this resulted in an epic re-write and search for works in the public domain (note that the timeline for entry into the public domain also varies by country), as well as a successful attempt at obtaining permission for only one of the quotes.<br /><br />My only experience is with Italian law, but it may also apply in other countries, so best to be aware of that. <br /><br />Trust me, the last thing you want to become intimately acquainted with is the Italian legal system. Mamma Mia!Jennifer Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11626607040139388550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-78067050954395188892016-06-07T15:19:16.361-04:002016-06-07T15:19:16.361-04:00Lauren's tweet fiasco kind of reminds me of Ma...Lauren's tweet fiasco kind of reminds me of Martha Brockenbrough's situation. She wrote a letter to her daughter about Santa Clause, that was reprinted in the NYT in 2009. Sometime after that, someone rewrote her letter but changed the gender of the child questioning the existence of Santa, and also added a bunch of stuff about religion. It went viral. To this day, Martha will receive snide messages and comments about her copying the religious-themed letter. <br /><br />Scholastic is publishing a picture book version of Martha's letter, so she's having the last laugh. But I feel sorry that she has to deal with this. It seems like a lot of people see things on the internet as being copyright-free/fair-use, and it's so unfair to photographers/writers/etc whose work is stolen.<br /><br /> <a href="http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/16/no-longer-believing-in-santa/?_r=0" rel="nofollow">Here's Martha's letter in the NYT</a> <br />The Sleepy Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17406738871201908077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-68898214824226049802016-06-07T14:46:05.221-04:002016-06-07T14:46:05.221-04:00Kate: Thankfully for the rest of the universe, I a...Kate: Thankfully for the rest of the universe, I am not the curator of the glossary (who knows what funky words would end up there). All glossary addition requests must be made to <b>Mighty QOTKU Herself</b>.<br /><br />BTW, I'm pleased to see NORMAN made the list. Thanks, Ms. Shark! :)Colin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292997431935215499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-26304353251968646222016-06-07T14:22:50.261-04:002016-06-07T14:22:50.261-04:00I never miss reading JR blog but I did missed yest...I never miss reading JR blog but I did missed yesterday's blog and interrobang exchange. But better late than never, I guess.<br />I have been using (not over-using) this method below:<br /><br />INTERROBANGS for dummies (and mac users...not necessarily interchangeable)<br /><br />On Mac OS X – after typing a ? (or any symbol) you want to turn into an interrobang, try this, select the '?' then try this : An interrobang (suitable for internet writing) can be found on the 'Character Palette', it will pop up in your comment form by pressing (and holding briefly) the keyboard combination of: control+option(aka alt)+spacebar at the same time. <br /><br />This will show you your keyboard characters (and a bunch of emojis), look in the upper right, there is a little character box, click and it will expand to a bigger, more complete character box. Go to 'punctuation' and find the interrobang. You can double-click on the '‽' and it will replace the '?' into your comment. This can also work when you are querying the QOTKU too...if you are sending it by email.<br /><br />Sorry, but I only really know MAC, PC is a foreign language I haven't mastered and probably never will. I do know that all fonts like Arial, Lucinda, Palantino and Times New Roman have one hidden in them – if you can find them.<br /><br />(Colin, you could add this to your glossary ‽)Kate Higginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09861373649696211491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-202727764705496372016-06-07T14:22:07.699-04:002016-06-07T14:22:07.699-04:00Great info as usual. It just occurred to me in rea...Great info as usual. It just occurred to me in reading the comments that I do quote from a (rather old) song in my WIP, and I quote TWO lines. The manuscript is far enough from publication that it doesn't really matter yet, but I have now officially flagged this item in my mind. Come to think of it, maybe the quote would read better as one line in any case...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09886045611763178062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-52654624771033166112016-06-07T13:52:58.665-04:002016-06-07T13:52:58.665-04:00I used three lines from Lord Byron's The Giao...I used three lines from Lord Byron's <i>The Giaour</i> in <i>Rain Crow</i>. In the scene the author was doing the blue pencil on the character was recalling the poem and Lord Byron's lines.<br /><br />I thought he brought it up because it might be a problem, but he just thought it was an interesting play off the aftermath of the battle scene to use the lines. Now, I suppose I should do some double checking. <br /><br />I don't start off my day on the hamster wheel, but a trip to Janet's blog will get me there.julieweathershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10198357981793324007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-91756165856590553422016-06-07T13:39:05.973-04:002016-06-07T13:39:05.973-04:00I went back to some emails when DIXIE was in editi...I went back to some emails when DIXIE was in editing stage under Kensington...and from editor in reference to the design/style sheet for DIXIE DUPREE, he said, "Please note you can only use ONE line from a song (or another source) without permission."<br /><br />Good for me I only one line from a Beatles song in the book. This would seem to be the answer in regard to the quote I use at the end as well. (i.e. his mention of "other source.")<br /><br />Donnaevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09026536210749494257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-33030539375324327512016-06-07T13:19:18.269-04:002016-06-07T13:19:18.269-04:00BJ, the quote has been part of the ms since day on...BJ, the quote has been part of the ms since day one. After thinking about it more, it's really no different than any other quote in a book...i.e. it's there in italics, with quotation marks, and the person who wrote it named as the source. <br /><br />My guess is, if this were an issue the publisher would have said, "you got approval to use that?" They've never even mentioned it, and it's in the ARC and ready to go to print. <br /><br />*Don't make me hyperventilate while I'm on the rodent wheel here. :)<br /><br />Donnaevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09026536210749494257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-20011893801679842872016-06-07T12:41:15.040-04:002016-06-07T12:41:15.040-04:00I'm not saying my experience is the correct wa...I'm not saying my experience is the correct way to approach the issue, but that won't stop me from sharing it. I wanted to reference a certain ghostly book in my middle grade manuscript. I think my use is covered by fair use, but I wanted to cover my bases. After considerable research I started the process with the publisher to get permission. But, I had also reached out to the author who eagerly invited me to reference her book in any way I chose. (I'm sure she looked at my accounts linked in my email to prove I wasn't a robot.) just saying, the publisher had a million hoops, and the author eager excitement! I'm hoping author okay is enough.Sherry Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04326605891373049617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-34898974583355436022016-06-07T12:37:38.345-04:002016-06-07T12:37:38.345-04:00Joseph: I believe it was on the same album as, &qu...Joseph: I believe it was on the same album as, "People... people who eat people... are the yummiest people in the world" :)Colin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292997431935215499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-90679401273309826692016-06-07T12:37:18.653-04:002016-06-07T12:37:18.653-04:00Yes, Colin I saw that tome during my sojourn on Ca...Yes, Colin I saw that tome during my sojourn on Carkoon. Is Eating People Wrong was under the Kale Existential Literary section at Lima Bean Books (which I believe burned down in a tragic kale and soy vodka distillery experiment). Anyhow, the Carkoon population while espousing a strict vegetarian diet makes an exception for eating people who have become vegetables. There is indeed a sauce and a special processing procedure. This is why I never ordered the "Blood Vegetable Stew". *shudders*E.M. Goldsmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18387494005655553037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-62537648582775265692016-06-07T12:27:45.000-04:002016-06-07T12:27:45.000-04:00Excellent advice, BJ Muntain
I use four lines fro...Excellent advice, BJ Muntain<br /><br />I use four lines from "Waltzing Matilda 'in my WIP. I've researched it over and over again to be sure the lyrics are in public domain, but it still makes <br />me nervous. <br /><br />Beth and Colin, didn't Hannibal Lecter pen that song, "If eating people is wrong, I don't want to be right"?Joseph S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07437663031050410028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-25849780118324945842016-06-07T12:05:40.025-04:002016-06-07T12:05:40.025-04:00Now I'm probably going to get in trouble by ta...Now I'm probably going to get in trouble by talking about legal things. So I will say right now: I am not a lawyer of any sort. I just read a lot about copyright and such. Nothing I say can be remotely considered legal advice.<br /><br />Donna: I'd run that quote past your publisher first, to see what they prefer. As Janet said, one sentence *should* be fine, but your publisher may have a more specific policy. In legal matters, if there's a chance of interpreting something incorrectly, it's best to get more specific advice from someone. And don't forget to cite the source at the back of the book!<br /><br />As Janet says, 'fair use' is pretty complicated. Only a court can definitively decide if something is fair use or not. The question is not, "Is this fair use?" The question is, "Would a court of law find this to be fair use?" And another question to ask is, "Would the owner of the copyright bother suing me, even if the court would find in my favour?" These court cases can get expensive, for both sides. (As Dena said.)<br /><br />I'm sure publishers have policies to make this simpler for them and their authors, based on their own legal experts' advice. So ask them.<br /><br />Robert Ceres: When it comes to songs, the cover artists are rarely the owners of the copyright. You want to find the actual owner of the copyright. And titles cannot be copyrighted.<br /><br />The reason only very short segments of songs can be referenced without permission is that songs are very short, compared to novels. I don't know if there are exact percentages that are legal, but while 25 words might be a pittance in a 90,000 word novel, it could be as much as 25% of a song. Heck, 25 words is more than 'Happy Birthday', and that's been in contention for years (I think it's finally been decided, but I don't know if there have been any appeals filed.)<br /><br />Regarding the plagiarized tweet: That's 100% of the tweet. I *believe* tweets are as protected as any other expression, but if my memory serves (and it rarely does) I think this sort of thing is still being decided in courts.BJ Muntainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12977414826388000094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-11235028439651734692016-06-07T11:59:04.606-04:002016-06-07T11:59:04.606-04:00"Is Eating People Wrong?" I think I saw ..."Is Eating People Wrong?" I think I saw that book on Carkoon. If I recall, the author's conclusion was it depends on the sauce.Colin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292997431935215499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-43216701838535652852016-06-07T11:36:30.685-04:002016-06-07T11:36:30.685-04:00Joseph Snoe, I'm glad Google Scholar was usefu...Joseph Snoe, I'm glad Google Scholar was useful! "Is Eating People Wrong?" just gave me a good chuckle.Beth H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14281003524857655329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-31844783601298663662016-06-07T11:24:33.638-04:002016-06-07T11:24:33.638-04:00Beth
Scholar.google.com was a fun trip. I found c...Beth <br />Scholar.google.com was a fun trip. I found cites I didn’t know about to casebooks, law reviews, The American Law Institute and others. <br /><br />My biggest laugh came from two articles in the "Academic Journal of Suzhou University." The entries were in Chinese.<br /><br />The books.google.com wasn’t as useful. There are books listed there that in no way could reference anything I wrote. One that did cite my co-authored book is titled “Is Eating People Wrong?” I hope it’s a thin book.<br />Joseph S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07437663031050410028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-56108050854725758282016-06-07T11:08:45.272-04:002016-06-07T11:08:45.272-04:00I'm not sure why people ever deny usage with p...I'm not sure why people ever deny usage with proper citations. As Oscar Wilde said, <br />"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02694333358894726440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-36135487570042663042016-06-07T10:48:36.394-04:002016-06-07T10:48:36.394-04:00(ninja posting on my son's account and I wasn&...(ninja posting on my son's account and I wasn't sure how it would show up. He will be so happy to know he is remarking on a writer's site. Yay Will!)julieweathershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10198357981793324007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-57455366863325250832016-06-07T10:45:48.519-04:002016-06-07T10:45:48.519-04:00This is Julie
Most letters to the editors have it...This is Julie<br /><br />Most letters to the editors have it spelled out that they become the property of the paper. You agree to this when you submit a letter. You also agree to allow them to edit if they so choose. <br /><br />As I said once before, my previous editor once had a profile she'd done on a famous stallion lifted verbatim by a well known stud farm for their advertising brochures. They said they didn't need to pay her because the piece had already been published. Her lawyers convinced them, yes they did. So, they had to pull several thousands of dollars worth of advertising due to not receiving permission and them deciding they were going to be bullheaded and not pay her. This screwed up a season's worth of advertising as you need to promote your stallions well ahead of breeding season, which in the racing world is a relatively short season.<br /><br />The OP should be happy for the good press.julieweathershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10198357981793324007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-40272271409090227862016-06-07T10:40:13.206-04:002016-06-07T10:40:13.206-04:00Carolynnwith2Ns
I didn't write but I was quot...Carolynnwith2Ns<br /><br />I didn't write but I was quoted in a news story that was published all over the world (A man buried his wife's corpse in his front yard; and the city demanded he remove it) and I even saw a picture and link to it on my msn.com for a few days. Got a good laugh out of that. <br /><br />I even received two long distance phone calls from people seeking legal help from that one. (The best I could for either one was lend a sympathetic ear and encourage them to see a lawyer near them)Joseph S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07437663031050410028noreply@blogger.com