tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post7660596193638534427..comments2024-03-18T09:09:59.625-04:00Comments on Janet Reid, Literary Agent: Duy nIS tlhIngan paq**Janet Reidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00615380335938685231noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-70178195440627639192015-11-22T14:30:22.593-05:002015-11-22T14:30:22.593-05:00Lurker popping my head tentatively into the water....Lurker popping my head tentatively into the water...<br /><br />As a languages person, I'm intrigued because I seem to have read this differently from everybody else. They don't actually mention translations. I assumed they were just a Portuguese-speaking US citizen looking to publish a Portuguese book in the USA, and that seems like it would call for a different set of responses.<br /><br />Of course, one of them might be "there is nobody who would publish a Portuguese book in the USA". Or maybe it's such a small market you have to approach publishers directly? It seems like home-grown Spanish books get published, but then there's more Spanish speakers...Shimmin Beghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350037986748679919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-82727203179807259462015-09-01T22:53:52.006-04:002015-09-01T22:53:52.006-04:00tlhIngan Hol vIjatlh.
I've got the tlhIngan H...tlhIngan Hol vIjatlh.<br /><br />I've got the tlhIngan HOl translation of Hamlet and a Klingon dictionary lying about somewhere.<br /><br />Best anecdote evahr: About twenty years ago I went to the San Diego Comic Con. There, I encountered a Japanese couple. They couldn't speak much English and my Japanese is all but non-existent. However, we both could speak Klingon and had a lovely conversation over lunch.<br /><br />Anyhoo, the phrase Janet would like is:<br /><br /><i>Duy vInIS paqwIjvaD</i><br /><br />I need an agent for my book.Her Grace, Heidi, the Duchess of Knealehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818060864422019573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-21395286203468645672015-09-01T22:05:27.279-04:002015-09-01T22:05:27.279-04:00bjmuntain, thanks for the reference. Important to ...bjmuntain, thanks for the reference. Important to know. May need it for my collection.<br /><br />Colin, I think your statement says more about the conditions on Carkoon than whole pages about Lima beans and kale could ever impart.Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17335923263777449916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-13781615544179197612015-09-01T21:26:31.683-04:002015-09-01T21:26:31.683-04:00S.D.: And I first saw Hugh Laurie on "A Bit o...S.D.: And I first saw Hugh Laurie on "A Bit of Fry and Laurie" in the 80s. Speaking of which:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__DrJI7mTHQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__DrJI7mTHQ</a><br /><br />Lance: Klingon literary agents wouldn't last 10 mins on Carkoon. ;)Colin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292997431935215499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-83743264967510724712015-09-01T20:51:13.278-04:002015-09-01T20:51:13.278-04:00I hope it's okay I posted that Amazone link ab...I hope it's okay I posted that Amazone link above - it's not to get people to buy it, just to show them that it exists...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-63921573380664520992015-09-01T20:49:44.943-04:002015-09-01T20:49:44.943-04:00Lance:
Amazon.com - The Tragedy of Khamlet, Son o...Lance:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Klingon-Hamlet-William-Shakespeare/dp/0671035789" rel="nofollow">Amazon.com - The Tragedy of Khamlet, Son of the Emperor of Qo'nos, a powerful drama by the legendary Klingon playwright, Wil'yam Shex'pir</a><br /><br />Recaptcha: Boats again. I assumed they didn't mean the old Pontiac...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-85991830029390159872015-09-01T20:27:13.685-04:002015-09-01T20:27:13.685-04:00Welcome back from vacation, Ms. Reid. Hope it was ...Welcome back from vacation, Ms. Reid. Hope it was all it was hyped up to be and more.<br /><br />Have any books been published in Klingon? Who was the agent?<br /><br />I'm curious that Colin hasn't mentioned Klingon literary agents (I know it's a different movie) on Carkoon.Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17335923263777449916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-47792082659373156092015-09-01T20:01:49.312-04:002015-09-01T20:01:49.312-04:00Janice,
"and every August some locals in St...Janice,<br /><br /> "and every August some locals in Sturgis, SD still feel the same way!"<br /><br />Yes, but they have cause to. There are a lot of pretty nasty types that show up for Sturgis as well as the fine upstanding sorts. My mother's last husband gave her two Harley's. He owned five. They went to Sturgis every year and she was not overly thrilled about the crowd he consorted with. My mother the 68-year-old biker chick. <br /><br />Lord, life is interesting at times. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-36371200272486216402015-09-01T19:34:14.713-04:002015-09-01T19:34:14.713-04:00BJ, Julie and the rest - I agree! (Why I feel the...BJ, Julie and the rest - I agree! (Why I feel the need to add the exclamation I have not one clue.) I.e. I agree that the contraction usage of you'se or you's stems from the African American language vs youse of Scandanavian/German origin. I wish my Grandmother had lived longer so I could have remembered the nuances of her speech. She was born in Waverly Minnesota, eventually moved to Bath, Maine, and finally Auburn, where she passed. Her maiden name was Foster.<br /><br />Regardless, all very interesting to me!<br /><br />Donnaevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09026536210749494257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-65305747069980437532015-09-01T17:55:39.828-04:002015-09-01T17:55:39.828-04:00I have nothing to add about the topic, but reading...I have nothing to add about the topic, but reading the comments is making me laugh . . . at the realization of how very well behaved we were while Janet was on vacation. I think this is the first significant off-topic diversion we've had since before she left.<br /><br />Which, of course, means it's all her fault. :)<br /><br />Welcome back, you troublemaker, you.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-4482057171473676692015-09-01T17:39:16.654-04:002015-09-01T17:39:16.654-04:00Janice: Even Canadians go down to Sturgis. Otherwi...Janice: Even Canadians go down to Sturgis. Otherwise respectable Canadians - business owners (because who else can really afford those bikes?) and professionals and such. Some friends of mine were there this year. I don't know what happens there, but they seem to enjoy it. <br /><br />Me, I don't like crowds. Or riding motorbikes, for that matter. Nothing against those who do - I'm just not comfortable either in crowds or while moving very quickly without some metal walls around me. I don't like rollercoasters, either. I am a wuss.<br /><br />Recaptcha made me choose boats. One of the boats was on a trailer in a garage. Tricky, Recaptcha!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-89701446503165500032015-09-01T17:08:58.267-04:002015-09-01T17:08:58.267-04:00Colin,
As to all American's sounding like Texa...Colin,<br />As to all American's sounding like Texans, I can't tell you how painful it is to hear a British actor/actress play a Yankee. They usually slaughter the accent with a Texas twang built in to some words and not others. It hurt my ears to hear David Tennant in the Americanized version of Broadchurch.<br /><br />Having said that, Hugh Laurie is the exception. He nailed it on House. (But keep in mind that he will always be Bertie Wooster to me.)S.D.Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05707682524268581476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-84758585609591947072015-09-01T16:37:56.579-04:002015-09-01T16:37:56.579-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.LynnRodzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10796099106913990163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-47828135889742311982015-09-01T15:37:21.523-04:002015-09-01T15:37:21.523-04:00Julie: and every August some locals in Sturgis, SD...Julie: and every August some locals in Sturgis, SD still feel the same way! They estimated over a record breaking 1 million bikers this year; however most businesses have embraced the capitalism ideals that come with having that many people descend on a small town in two weeks :D For the regular folk, everyone nearby knows not to visit Sturgis or the surrounding area in August!<br /><br />BJMtn: Your explanation makes so much sense to me. Having immigrant Grandparents who lived in areas of Chicago where there are many nationalities represented, I had the opportunity to pick up on language similarities/differences. I recognized early on that when learning a new language, verbs, adverbs and nouns come first; the vernaculars come later... And when there are no vernaculars, then you make it up :D<br /><br />Going back to JR's subject at hand - I just assume that if I were to query a novel in France, that it most definitely should be in French in order to reach as many French agents as I could... However,finding a quality French editor without living in the country would be difficult, no? I can see where an international writer would be tempted to query in the USA, as there seems to be a broader supporting writer's "market" here?Janice Grinyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14363741660626407979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-31713840728870274872015-09-01T15:08:36.259-04:002015-09-01T15:08:36.259-04:00I still can't believe I got to read Klingon to...I still can't believe I got to read Klingon today!<br /><br />Welcome back, Janet.Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18165072684559960801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-60718674700526531942015-09-01T15:05:47.653-04:002015-09-01T15:05:47.653-04:00Julie: Yes. Originally, it was not derived from Af...Julie: Yes. Originally, it was not derived from African Americans. As I'd said, it was probably used most often by people of other nationalities whose first language had plural second person forms. It's really a deficiency in the English language not to have a recognized standard plural second person form. That's why 'youse' and 'y'all' are so common.<br /><br />The African American Vernacular English version is a homonym - that is, it sounds the same. So Donna isn't wrong - that contraction does exist - but that's not the way it's usually used, even in New York.<br /><br />I didn't know there was a town called Zap in ND. That makes me smile. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-85209535683910610852015-09-01T14:55:28.116-04:002015-09-01T14:55:28.116-04:00Duy sumqu' chemvaH paqDuy sumqu' chemvaH paqCraig Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07157301156577795781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-7306200317770533832015-09-01T14:49:49.640-04:002015-09-01T14:49:49.640-04:00BJ and Janice,
The conversation referred to was a...BJ and Janice,<br /><br />The conversation referred to was about a planned Great North Dakota Zap In which was started by the Laugh In show. Thousands of hippies converged on a tiny, one horse town in 1969 I believe. For whatever reason, some of the locals thought the Zap In was going to be an excuse to blow Zap up because a town with about a 100 people in the middle of nowhere western North Dakota was strategic for something.<br /><br />One of my classmates drove down the street on his motorcycle, wearing his letterman jacket and Ella raced into her "steakhouse" screaming, "The Hell's Angels are here! Lock the doors!"<br /><br />I, fortunately, missed the Zap In which, as anyone with common sense might have predicted, turned into a nightmare.<br /><br />BJ, the point was, youse probably doesn't derive from African Americans as Google thinks it does.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-63204016653492026412015-09-01T14:36:01.808-04:002015-09-01T14:36:01.808-04:00Julie:
That was my point. 'Youse', as a ...Julie: <br /><br />That was my point. 'Youse', as a plural for 'you' is more common than 'you's' as a contraction for 'you is'. And probably an older use.<br /><br />Like I said earlier, my grandfather, whose first language was German though he was born in Saskatchewan, always used it in the plural. (And note: Saskatchewan is due north of North Dakota.)<br /><br />And yes, Minot, North Dakota, was considered a prime spot for the Russians to hit, since it had nuclear missiles. And since the bombs would have gone right over Saskatchewan, we were just as worried as the Americans about a third world war.<br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-80925465725970570492015-09-01T14:22:01.829-04:002015-09-01T14:22:01.829-04:00Julie.M.Weathers - There are so many empty missil...Julie.M.Weathers - There are so many empty missile silos left in North Dakota, that Im not surprised they were a little paranoid!<br /><br />Also, I agree with you on the use of "youse" in the area, as I myself have witnessed the "use" :). It is known that Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota, and even parts of Eastern Montana are predominantly descendants of German and Scandinavian backgrounds. Im sure you know this; when the Homestead act came into play, immigrant families generated towards land that was familiar to them from "back home"; easier to farm. 160 to 320 acres of "free" land after 5 years of use was a hard bargain to pass up...<br /><br />In fact, it always surprises me how much Miles City, Montana, looks like a rural community from Minnesota! :)Janice Grinyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14363741660626407979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-60047430814021562592015-09-01T14:08:07.984-04:002015-09-01T14:08:07.984-04:00BJ,
As infallible as Google is, I'd have to d...BJ,<br /><br />As infallible as Google is, I'd have to disagree with them on "youse" as do most dictionaries. That phrase has been around the Dakota/Minnesota etc area forever. I think it comes from the German settlers, but it could be Scandinavians. It used to drive me nuts in North Dakota to hear the old honyockers sitting around the coffee shops, loud voices, probably because most of them were deaf, talking about youse guys. "Youse guys don't realize it, but I tol' you right now. Dem Russians are coming!"<br /><br />"Ya, he's right. Youse just wait. Phoom! Dey gonna blow us right off de map." <br /><br />Because, you know, Zap, North Dakota deserved to be zapped I guess.<br /><br />It's common in Pennsylvania Dutch country. It's even in Australia where they think it was started by the Irish and have a flap about including it in the dictionary. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-69377413654285742762015-09-01T14:00:21.359-04:002015-09-01T14:00:21.359-04:00Good coogli mooglis! I arks you...
:DGood coogli mooglis! I arks you...<br /><br />:DColin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292997431935215499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-35439318591703698782015-09-01T13:55:24.837-04:002015-09-01T13:55:24.837-04:00Laura started it. And then, like just for fun, sh...Laura started it. And then, like just for fun, she threw in "arks." Lordy, I can't even go there. <br /><br />8>0Donnaevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09026536210749494257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-20548725964132628082015-09-01T13:46:42.766-04:002015-09-01T13:46:42.766-04:00On a quick Google search: Google for youse
The fi...On a quick Google search: <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=youse&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8" rel="nofollow">Google for youse</a><br /><br />The first page has one that lists 'you is', and the rest are all plural of 'you'.<br /><br />Using 'youse' as 'you is' is considered an African American Vernacular English term. So not wrong, but not as common as the plural. <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/youse" rel="nofollow">Wiktionary for youse</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-25231239057100575512015-09-01T13:33:42.497-04:002015-09-01T13:33:42.497-04:00Donna: I always presumed "yous/you'se/you...Donna: I always presumed "yous/you'se/youse" was a plural: "yous guys." Authoritative voices from the North... and other places that use this term?Colin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292997431935215499noreply@blogger.com