tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post3910878878928856074..comments2024-03-29T07:29:32.276-04:00Comments on Janet Reid, Literary Agent: Thanks, DickJanet Reidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00615380335938685231noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-31287417151082188872008-08-27T11:41:00.000-04:002008-08-27T11:41:00.000-04:00Wow, you guys have a lot of time on your hands.But...Wow, you guys have a lot of time on your hands.<BR/><BR/>But on the other hand, I just read all these posts.Sara J. Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16145626175256433448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-54294699872729899642008-08-25T15:44:00.000-04:002008-08-25T15:44:00.000-04:00Hi Freddie,You may not get a good reception, but i...Hi Freddie,<BR/><BR/>You may not get a good reception, but if you really find the book useful ... and maybe have ideas to contribute ... and want to go to a lot of work ... you might offer to work on a revised edition.<BR/><BR/>As I've said a number of times, I can't spell consistently. It's not sloppiness. The problem has a neurological basis. I have learned to work around it. I never reject a well meant critique, even if I don't take all the advice.<BR/><BR/>But some people are sensitive. ... You might start by simply contacting the author and telling him how much you value the book. If a pleasant relationship develops, you can move on to more pointed but kindly phrased comments.<BR/><BR/>I still think Dr. Dillard misses the point. Yes, we should benefit from a valid criticism no matter how phrased, but the original email is designed to irritate. <BR/><BR/>So, while Janet may get some benefit from the criticism, though I do not know what this long after the fact, the writer stains himself permanently. <BR/><BR/>Publishing is a small world, smaller than many realize. So it's also a stupid thing to do. <BR/><BR/>Certainly you will meet idiots along the way. When Pixie Warrior (wonderful book! you should read it!) was on submission I got back a three page letter from an Editor telling me in great detail why it would never be published, how poorly written it was, how bad the descriptions were. In the same week's email I got an acceptance.<BR/><BR/>Did I rant and rave? No, I laughed. Not everyone likes everything. Seldom is it personal. The man who wrote the email to Janet made a rejection personal.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and I thanked the editor who wrote the long letter and said that I carefully read all her advice. Of course I didn't take any of it. It was bad advice. She just wanted a different book. I don't write that kind. ... <BR/><BR/>And as far as characterization goes, not everyone agrees with the editor who was so critical:<BR/><BR/>"PIXIE WARRIOR is simply enchanting--a wonderful crossover book that will keep anyone delighted. The main character is both precocious and endearing, and the world building is the best I've seen since Tolkien. I cannot praise this novel highly enough."--YA Books Central <BR/><BR/>If you take rejection as personally as the writer of the original email has, you become miserable. There is no satisfaction in being petty.<BR/><BR/>That being said, when Pixie Warrior got to number 2 on both the Mobipocket and Readerwise best seller in Fantasy lists, I did send the editor who wrote the long and harsh letter a link to the lists. (naughty of me, huh?) I didn't point out that the book she published the same week made it to number 148. That would have been mean. ... <BR/><BR/>So, in my rambling way, I'm saying: Sure, we can be tempted to slap back at what we see as a slight or insult or hurt. It doesn't bring much satisfaction, and it's silly. There is no real fight to pick when you’re rejected. Write better or find someone who likes what you do write.<BR/><BR/>PixieSha'el, Princess of Pixieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049854555801812071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-50752604667392305012008-08-25T14:16:00.000-04:002008-08-25T14:16:00.000-04:00This actually raises a very good question: When is...This actually raises a very good question: When is it okay to point out mistakes? <BR/><BR/>I have an orchestration book that looks as though it was self-published and got very little or no proofreading or editing before it was printed. Typos all over the place. Plus, many sentences are garbled and don't make a lot of sense. I get a sense of what the author is trying to say, but it isn't very clear. As a user of the book, do you think it would be rude for me to write to them and point out the errors? It's a useful book otherwise, for someone in my field (film composing).Stacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365582623380288038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-61405701564047367322008-08-25T12:14:00.000-04:002008-08-25T12:14:00.000-04:00Mr. Dillard,I think the issue you're raising is a ...Mr. Dillard,<BR/><BR/>I think the issue you're raising is a good one, if there were something Janet could do to fix it. As she said, she routinely corrects issues with the guidelines on the web site. <BR/><BR/>However, we're talking about someone who is pointing out her flaws in a work that came out in late 2006. It's now bordering on late 2008. And were it me, yes I might have written to her to let it be known that there were some typos in her entry. But I would have worded my email as such.<BR/><BR/>Compare:<BR/><BR/>"Ms. Reid,<BR/>While searching for a literary agent, I came across an old 2007 copy of THE NOVEL AND SHORT STORY WRITER'S MARKET. I saw your entry and noticed a typo or two you might want to mention to the editors. I couldn't find the 2008 edition to check if it has been fixed already.<BR/><BR/>Under "Do proof read" they have it as two words instead of one, and they added an 's' to conference in "a writers' conferences".<BR/><BR/>Again, these were probably minor typesetting gaffes with the publisher, but I thought you might want to know in case they haven't been fixed yet.<BR/><BR/>I hope that was helpful,<BR/>Jake Nantz"<BR/><BR/>See the difference? I'm being polite and giving her an out, because even if she did rush through filling out the form they send out each year, and made the mistake herself, it's a bit churlish to assume so because it's a mistake and anyone can make it. The typesetters had to go through HUNDREDS of pages. Odds are pretty good there is another typo lurking with dastardly intent somewhere else in there. Rather than say something along the lines of "That sentence makes no sense (to me)", Dick could instead have asked, "I think you mean that you'd prefer to recycle the manuscript rather than have to return it, but I'm unsure. Would you mind letting me know if I'm off-base?"<BR/><BR/>Besides, if he really wants to go through this method of publishing (rather than self-publish), wouldn't you agree that Dick should do a little more research first? Especially since almost all major agencies say (or at least imply) that they'd prefer to recycle your manuscript rather than return it?Jake Nantzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16637039507172446111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-27442723803495237112008-08-24T17:48:00.000-04:002008-08-24T17:48:00.000-04:00Rachael,Thank you for introducing yourself.Civilit...Rachael,<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thank you for introducing yourself.<BR/><BR/>Civility certainly matters. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. If I did, then that's my mistake.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, uncivil remarks can be true and provide advice that should be followed. In all honesty, Dick's remarks didn't strike me as uncivil. Perhaps his intentions in making them were, but we don't really know. Yet strictly speaking, what he said was true, and the advice he proffered was appropriate--whether or not he was being uncivil. Typos and other errors in submission instructions do not project a professional image. So it is in the agent or editor's interest to eliminate them in the future.<BR/><BR/>That's all I have to say about the matter.<BR/><BR/>Best to you,<BR/><BR/>PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-44298512164164065912008-08-24T15:06:00.000-04:002008-08-24T15:06:00.000-04:00Nice to meet you, Dr. Dillard. Most people know me...Nice to meet you, Dr. Dillard. Most people know me as Rachael ... <BR/><BR/>Being right does not make up for rude and thoughtless behavior. Civility rests not in being right and rude, but in being right and civil. That calculated rudeness is based on a truth does not make it less offensive.<BR/><BR/>Best regards,<BR/><BR/>Victoria Louisa Gabriella Henriette Rachael Michelle Elizabeth d'Orléans - de Vienne - Stewart<BR/><BR/>AKA Rachael de VienneSha'el, Princess of Pixieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049854555801812071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-85849976809760750222008-08-24T15:02:00.000-04:002008-08-24T15:02:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sha'el, Princess of Pixieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049854555801812071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-44256499284978961992008-08-24T13:34:00.000-04:002008-08-24T13:34:00.000-04:00Shal'el, I'm no troll. My name is Peter Spotswood ...Shal'el, I'm no troll. My name is Peter Spotswood Dillard. I've visited this site frequently and have followed a number of threads, many of which I've found quite informative. I don't know why the information indicating my previous visits isn't showing up. <BR/><BR/>This is the first time I've been compelled to post something because, frankly, the pettiness of holding up Dick's post for ridicule and the pathetic a**-kissing of some posters in this thread just rubbed me the wrong way. I haven't posted any other comments here, and consequently I haven't lost any debates.<BR/><BR/>Strictly speaking, Dick's intentions don't matter. What matters is whether he was right, which he was. It also matters whether his pointing out these mistakes might lead to more caution in the future. I hope so.<BR/><BR/>Since I'm not a troll, I'm not going to belabor the point by getting into a protracted argument with you or anybody else on the Internet. Please don't jump to conclusions about people's motives. <BR/><BR/>PeteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-64933643687995924322008-08-24T11:59:00.000-04:002008-08-24T11:59:00.000-04:00Oh heck, i'll get an email over this, won't i?"You...Oh heck, i'll get an email over this, won't i?<BR/><BR/>"You've made a blogger name but have no name."<BR/><BR/>Read: "You've made a blogger name but have no blog."Sha'el, Princess of Pixieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049854555801812071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-67629177521482570872008-08-24T11:57:00.000-04:002008-08-24T11:57:00.000-04:00Pete, It's a matter of civility and good judgment....Pete, <BR/><BR/>It's a matter of civility and good judgment. I'm sure there are those genetically disposed to point out other's mistakes. Perhaps you're one. My sympathies if you are. It must be a hard life.<BR/><BR/>Why would one wish to do it? Do you honestly think the man who emailed Janet meant to be helpful? Is that the tone of the email?<BR/><BR/>What possible good motive may he have had? Do you really think he meant to be helpful?<BR/><BR/>You amaze me. Why are you defending what is nothing more than bad behaviour? And stupid bad behaviour at that?<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I think you're what they call in Internet parlance "a troll." You've made a blogger name but have no name. My visit to your profile was the first visit by anyone. I beleive you are here under a new name to further a debate you lost under another name.<BR/><BR/>Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem.Sha'el, Princess of Pixieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049854555801812071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-38512493377286731872008-08-24T11:23:00.000-04:002008-08-24T11:23:00.000-04:00Dick merely pointed out some mistakes. That hardly...Dick merely pointed out some mistakes. That hardly makes him a "twit."<BR/><BR/>Even if the mistakes can't be fixed now, they're still mistakes. And having them pointed out might encourage the one who made them to be more careful in the future. Stubborn writers like myself have certainly learned that way. So have captious editors and nitpicking agents. Being defensive and bitchy about it doesn't help.<BR/><BR/>Oh gee, there goes any chance I have of ever obtaining representation at this agency. Damn!<BR/><BR/>PeteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-29587412229921696512008-08-24T00:52:00.000-04:002008-08-24T00:52:00.000-04:00I have another comment ... surprised? My uncle and...I have another comment ... surprised? My uncle and I recently had an article published in J-RAD, a journal specializing in theology and history. Okay, so you don't know what J-RAD means ... sorry... Journal From the Radical Reformation, published by Atlanta Bible College.<BR/><BR/>The text has typos. What made it to print was the first draft without corrections. It was a joint mistake. Big deal? No. I'm sure it's mildly embarrassing for us all. But we still got “academic fan mail.”<BR/><BR/>This happens. Writing an email to point it out is pointless ...Sha'el, Princess of Pixieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049854555801812071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-72989319253239527972008-08-23T22:46:00.000-04:002008-08-23T22:46:00.000-04:00Third party or taken from the web site, SOMEBODY t...Third party or taken from the web site, SOMEBODY type sets the damn thing before it's printed. Yes, it's all on computers, but it's not desk top publishing. Does anyone here think typos in a novel were written by the author?<BR/><BR/>Regardless, pointing out mistakes in an outdated reference book is, as many have said, ludicrous, not helpful. Being snarky to agents is just plain dumb.Elissa Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10727748060605823895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-82147137463631808382008-08-23T20:59:00.000-04:002008-08-23T20:59:00.000-04:00Not quite, Janet, but sorta!Not quite, Janet, but sorta!Sha'el, Princess of Pixieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049854555801812071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-55904394815154210282008-08-23T19:10:00.000-04:002008-08-23T19:10:00.000-04:00If thine eye offends thee, it is better to enter t...If thine eye offends thee, it is better to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to smack a goat around and holler "translate THAT, mofo!"Janet Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00615380335938685231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-73643158833284464612008-08-23T18:07:00.000-04:002008-08-23T18:07:00.000-04:00For a Pixie, I'm fairly well educated. I've stuggl...For a Pixie, I'm fairly well educated. I've stuggled with spelling all my life. Having a spelling or grammar mistake pointed out to me isn't the end of the world, but I like it best when it is well-intentioned.<BR/><BR/>I don't see this email as well-intentioned. It's a bite back, probably from someone rejected by Janet.<BR/><BR/>And guess what else ... come on! just guess! ... Rude behaviour is ... well rude. There is seldom an excuse for it.<BR/><BR/>I know (of) another agent who prides himself on his spelling and grammar, even with it's split infinitives, misplaced prepositions and such. He's vain. Go off to his blog and send something similar to him ... He might need it ... No? He didn't reject you? umm humm<BR/><BR/>Just behave. No excuses. NO whining. Just civility. <BR/><BR/>Being stupid is a sin. The email was stupid. <BR/><BR/>καὶ ἐὰν ὁ ὀφθαλμός σου σκανδαλίζῃ σε, ἔκβαλε αὐτὸν· καλόν σε ἐστιν μονόφθαλμον εἰσελθεῖν εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ ἢ δύο ὀφθαλμοὺς ἔχοντα βληθῆναι εἰς γέενναν.<BR/><BR/>[don't you just hate quotations you can't read?}Sha'el, Princess of Pixieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049854555801812071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-60280338643525968082008-08-23T12:35:00.000-04:002008-08-23T12:35:00.000-04:00Lighten up, chuck.Dick was being a, well, twit. J...Lighten up, chuck.<BR/><BR/>Dick was being a, well, twit. Janet called him on it. It's a free country, so I guess if you don't approve of her methods on a blog you freely clicked on, CHANGE THE URL.<BR/><BR/>Or you could sit there in your superiority complex and tell all of us how rude we are. Hope it feels good for you, 'cause the rest of us couldn't physically care any less.<BR/><BR/>Rock on Janet.Jake Nantzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16637039507172446111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-57444808991339624402008-08-22T22:40:00.000-04:002008-08-22T22:40:00.000-04:00Charles: It would be interesting to know what you ...Charles: It would be interesting to know what you think the issue is.<BR/><BR/>The problem is that whether Dick sent this letter in an attempt to be helpful or not is irrelevant. It isn't helpful to give criticism on what cannot be changed. Whatever his intentions, it cames off as "I'm so superior to you. Your mistakes make me laugh. Ha ha ha ha."<BR/><BR/>As this blog often gives advice to writers so that we don't kill our chances of landing an agent we like in one fell swoop, Janet is doing a kindness by posting this type of thing, whether you approve of her methods or not. <BR/><BR/>It's also highly entertaining for those of us with an oversized, but underused, snark bone.Taymalinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13894922480703350634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-46019111383622642722008-08-22T16:49:00.000-04:002008-08-22T16:49:00.000-04:00somebody was trying to charm you and win you over....somebody was trying to charm you and win you over. FAILSabina E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14679639206346030919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-78857498119612730142008-08-22T16:44:00.000-04:002008-08-22T16:44:00.000-04:00Have you recently changed perfumes, Janet? You've ...Have you recently changed perfumes, Janet? You've been driving the trolls nuts lately!Magshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05350451902814461987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-70161383466513289092008-08-22T16:02:00.000-04:002008-08-22T16:02:00.000-04:00Janet, your snark is what has put you on the top o...Janet, your snark is what has put you on the top of my query list! (When I finish my revisions on everything that is!)Alicia Gregoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06660125614529633284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-26439386332974024862008-08-22T15:15:00.000-04:002008-08-22T15:15:00.000-04:00So if he hadn't closed with "just trying to be hel...So if he hadn't closed with "just trying to be helpful," a statement one could just as easily read as an off-key attempt at mitigating the tone a little as it could an impish dig, you would have been able to accept the fact that he pointed out sloppiness in your work, regardless of how long ago (and 2007 isn't that long ago) or how many corrected editions have been put out since, instead of getting so defensive?<BR/><BR/>And why would I query you? Is that the only reason people read your blog?Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06276237067695885214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-2862154385022780442008-08-22T13:12:00.000-04:002008-08-22T13:12:00.000-04:00"helpful" implies something can be done to fix the..."helpful" implies something can be done to fix the problem. Dick is quoting from a book that is not only two years past publication there are two subsequent editions, neither of which have this entry.<BR/><BR/>I fix mistakes on my website frequently. I've had at least three emails from folks pointing out things that needed fixing. I thanked them and did it it.<BR/><BR/>This wasn't that. If you can't tell the difference it's a good thing you think I"m a real bitch and won't be querying me.Janet Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00615380335938685231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-9775510736437024172008-08-22T12:41:00.000-04:002008-08-22T12:41:00.000-04:00wrong, ap. the third party "compiles" the informat...wrong, ap. the third party "compiles" the information based on submissions from the agent. is it a coincidence that the cited passages are very similar to language on janet's own website? i'm not about to do a comparison, but for all i know, it was cut-and-pasted directly from the source. or does the text from people's personal websites also come from "third parties"? an ad hominem attack on dick, despite whatever ingratiating value you want to perceive, doesn't address the issue.Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06276237067695885214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17040756.post-43866788556523450552008-08-22T12:38:00.000-04:002008-08-22T12:38:00.000-04:00I guess I did miss the point. Most agents don't as...I guess I did miss the point. Most agents don't assemble novels or non-fiction books, either.<BR/><BR/>Aren't those books ultimately put together by third parties? You know, like editors and publishers?<BR/><BR/>And who is responsible for their content?The Rogue Chefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11133560910221856580noreply@blogger.com